Limiting the number of entries in a set

Shawn Debnath shawn at
Sat Jan 31 18:51:16 EST 2015

Thanks Alexander. Yep I understand the differences in Riak and Redis as far as type and implementation goes.  I referred to the LTRIM feature to focus the discussion a bit. I am trying to reduce overhead where possible and looks like Riak can deliver the features Redis does, and then some, with a bit of our code change. I think its better in the long run anyways.

Yep, those Basho guys definitely have their hands full, hoping down the line they will start to build in more of theses ease of access features.

On 1/31/15, 1:40 PM, "Alexander Sicular" <siculars at<mailto:siculars at>> wrote:


I just want to reiterate that Redis data types and Riak data types are not directly comparable. Riak data types are specifically designed to work in a fully distributed and automatically convergent environment. And they service that design very well. Redis data types work the way they work because of the nature of Redis itself - in memory, single threaded data store.

I know that the engineering team at Basho are continuously evaluating new data types and new capabilities for inclusion in Riak. Your feedback and questions directly impact the product road map. Thanks for letting us know what you're looking to do and how you would like to use Riak.


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Alexander Sicular <siculars at<mailto:siculars at>> wrote:
Riak sets (and data types by extension) are good but not great. The are gonna get better over time but still be saddled with the difficulties of distribution. Redis is able to do what it does because a. It's not distributed and b. It's single threaded. I recommend that if you need the atomic guarantees of redis data types you go ahead and use them. And then periodically flush your redis data to riak for high availability and fault tolerant backup. It's not elegant, it has edge case scenarios but it gets you a best of both worlds solution.



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On Jan 31, 2015, at 13:11, Shawn Debnath <shawn at<mailto:shawn at>> wrote:

Good morning,

Wondering if there is a better way to do truncation of a set if entries exceed a certain threshold. I am trying to create a canonical timeline for every user in our system, set of UUID strings. We want the number of entries to be limited to about 1000 per timeline to keep the size of each KV object in check inside Riak and also not store unnecessary data. From looking around code and docs, there doesn’t seem to be a Redis style LTRIM<> option available. So is the only way to enforce this is to fetch the set, check count, trim it locally and then update?

My fear is that by using CRDTs, a set add wins over remove in the case of a conflict. If there were to be 1000 conflicting concurrent updates each trying to trim and add one entry to a set that already contains 1000 entries, I imagine the  final count of the set would be 2000. This can be greatly exasperated on a very “friendly” or popular person’s timeline and the code never being able to truncate the set back to 1000.

Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated.


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