Re: Is Riak dead?

lloyd at writersglen.com lloyd at writersglen.com
Fri Jul 14 18:27:28 EDT 2017


Hello,
 
Rackspace email has had serious issues, so I must have missed Alexander's latest post. But thanks to Russell's post, here are a few thoughts on several of Alexander's points:
 
I've never used slack and have minimal experience with IRC, but would be happy to adapt to any forum that would support serious dialogue and momentum toward consensus.
 
The problem is how to define and keep focus on the most immediate and concerns and issues. Unfortunately mailing list threads have a way of wandering off track.
 
Legal clarification is certainly high priority. It would be good to go through the Riak licenses to see what they do and do not permit. 

Even better if an IP attorney could share with the community an analysis. Perhaps there's a generous Riak corporate user out there willing to step up to the task.  
 
Here's info re: the current Basho Technologies lawsuit:
 
Basho Suit Stays On Course Despite Defense Counsel Chaos
https://www.law360.com/articles/917913/basho-suit-stays-on-course-despite-defense-counsel-chaos

This spat could go on for awhile and who knows who'll be left standing to pick up the pieces and if they'll be of mind to do so.

Meanwhile, many companies and developers who have adopted Riak products are left without support and under a big black cloud of uncertainty.

So the second, priority, seems to me, is to rally the existing community--- identify who and how many in the community have enough vested interest to work toward sustainability, continued availability, and future development of the open source Riak code. 

It may be little more than a holding action until the Basho Tech lawsuit is settled. But uncertainty has a way of devolving into apathy and loss of interest.

With regard to governance, it probably is too soon to do much more than define the options and weigh the pros and cons.

My assumption is that there are smart people with serious ideas and a vested interest out there. The question is, how can we best get the pot boiling?

All the best,

Lloyd
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Russell Brown" <russell.brown at mac.com>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:32pm
To: "Alexander Sicular" <siculars at gmail.com>
Cc: lloyd at writersglen.com, "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" <sendtopms at gmail.com>, "riak-users" <riak-users at lists.basho.com>
Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?



On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular <siculars at gmail.com> wrote:

> I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel
> and take it from there…

What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel?

> 
> Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is now:

Grow? Surely we’re just talking survival and maintenance in the first instance. Security for those orgs that depend on it. Growth was the problem, right?

> 
> - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered.

What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.

> - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla.

Again, I don’t agree. Why a new name? Obviously the basho domain is off limits, but why does that matter, any great content on there? Or just cartoon guys?

Numerous orgs already have full forks of all repos, and all the issues copied, and pull request histories etc. This wasn’t a surprise.

> 
> Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an
> Apache project?

Personally not sure of the benefit of being an apache project.

Russell

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> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM, <lloyd at writersglen.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston and
>> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of recovery
>> through registrations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference on
>> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm also
>> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
>> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just to kick off brain-storming:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
>> 
>> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
>> 
>> a. Clarifying legal issues
>> 
>> b. Technical road map
>> 
>> c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
>> 
>> d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
>> 
>> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
>> 
>> Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How to get from here to there:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
>> 
>> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
>> 
>> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
>> 
>> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
>> 
>> 5. What else?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Russell Brown" <russell.brown at mac.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm
>> To: lloyd at writersglen.com
>> Cc: "riak-users" <riak-users at lists.basho.com>, "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti"
>> <sendtopms at gmail.com>, "Russell Brown" <russell.brown at icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>> 
>> We have talked about it. Let's do it!
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, lloyd at writersglen.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on the
>> future of open-source Riak?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> LRP
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Russell Brown" <russell.brown at icloud.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm
>> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" <sendtopms at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "riak-users" <riak-users at lists.basho.com>
>> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>> 
>> Hi Senthilkumar,
>> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept the
>> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully something
>> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing list
>> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations.
>> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for
>> numerous organisation in its niche for some time.
>> 
>> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the
>> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me, this
>> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and it’s
>> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of
>> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little time
>> to bounce back.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Russell
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti <sendtopms at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is Riak dead? No new activities on Riak GitHub repo.
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/basho/riak_kv/pulse/monthly
>>> https://github.com/basho/riak/pulse/monthly
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Senthil
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